Thanks, everyone, for your comments and emails this week. My headache is much better, if lingering, and I think that life may resume with some degree of normalcy by the middle of next week.
In the meanwhile - and I so appreciate your patience - here are a couple of additional bra-fitter answers.
Gillian asks:
Yay!
I love this series! I've always worn
36 or 38 bands, but then my sis mentioned she wears a 34 and when I
looked up my under-bust measurements, I'm 34 inches too. For years I
think I wore 38s because I didn't want a tight band to give me horrible back
fat bumps! These days I'm wearing 36s... but should I try a smaller
band? How tight is right? And is there any way to avoid the back fat
issue? Help!
Hi
Gillian, I'm so pleased you like the series! You want the band of your
bra to be snug enough to secure the bra to your body. This gives optimal
support, better lift and takes pressure off your shoulders. The back of
your bra should sit parallel to the ground, anchored under your shoulder
blades. Symptoms of a too lose band include heavy pressure on the
shoulders (the band should be taking most of the weight of your bust),
the need to constantly re-adjust the bra by pulling the band down, and
the scenario in which the band arcs up rather than sitting straight across your back.
There
are competing methods of measuring band size. The department store/big
brand method is to take your raw under bust measurement and add a
whopping 4 to 6 inches. This will likely result in a band that's too big
(this measurement system is encouraged as it puts most women within the
standard A-DD bra sizes that department stores / Victoria's Secret churn
out). The current wave of bra fitters encourage you to add zero inches
to your under bust measurement. Personally I vacillate between adding
zero and adding about 2 inches. I'd suggest trying on a 34 band
(remembering that as you go down in the band you will have to go up in
the cup in order to get the same cup volume) to see how it feels. You should
be able to breathe comfortably and should not feel any pain, but it
should feel snug!
I'm
going to interrupt my answer to go on a small rant: Many bra bands are
getting stretchier and are being cut looser! I have been fitting for over
10 years (eek!) and I have noticed this change both personally and when
fitting clients. When I started bra fitting I wore a 32 band (and was
often chided by my co-workers for my love of super snug bands). These
days I am 20 lbs heavier and usually need a 30 band to feel secure. In
the olden days I would add 2 to 4 inches to a snug under bust measurement
to get a starting size for my customer. These days I add 0 to 2. I
don't think that this is vanity sizing (see the Linda The Bra Lady
snafu) as most women I fit are initially shocked and/or appalled when
they hear they fit a 34F instead of a 38C. I would love to find out why
bands have changed, as it's "outsizing" many women (i.e. 28 bands now find
they need 26) and divorcing many women from their formerly favourite
bra styles and companies!
Ed. note: I couldn't agree with this more! Bands are going super stretchy - even in the pricey brands...
Bra
fitting is not exact, and I believe personal comfort should play a
role. I prefer my bands quite snug, while others may want a slightly
easier fit. The level of snugness depends on breast size, personal preference/experience and
"squishability." Often a full-busted woman will want a tight band
due to the weight of her breasts, whereas a smaller busted woman may feel
better in a slightly easier band. A woman who's just been resized from
wearing a 40 band to a 30 band may feel more comfortable compromising
with a 32 if she's having trouble adjusting to her new size. Finally,
many women with more padding around their ribs can easily wear a very
snug band, whereas a woman with a very bony ribcage may feel discomfort
in something very tight.
Other ed. note: I LOVE a tighter band, as y'all know. I think I may have gained my original perspective on this from Veronica, though it's definitely my natural preference. I do think that some people are acclimators and others are (no offense) "fussy". Some peeps grow to love a snug band - esp. when the boobs are large and projectile on a proportionately small frame. Others are just never gonna get with it. Chalk it up to basic sensitivity.
Now
for the dreaded "back fat!" First off, this is the least favourite
phrase of many a bra-fitter. I don't mean to scold or to go on a
hippy-dippy, kumbaya, you-are-beautiful-no-matter-what-they-say trip, but
all women indent where there bra wraps around their
bodies. Our skin isn't rigid and rock-solid, otherwise we wouldn't be able
to move. This means the bra band will press into skin of even the
slenderest supermodel. Also, today's fashion is not very forgiving. It's
all drapey jersey and tissue thin t shirts.
But... back fat can be
mitigated. First off, wearing a too-loose band will actually exacerbate
the problem. A too-loose band will ride up to the place where we tend to
carry more padding, and as the band creeps up throughout the day, it
will push this padding up with it. A snugger band will sit at the place
where we have less softness and it will stay there. Next, a broader band
- or a band made of stretch lace - will usually cut in less. Finally, in a
good bra you'll look so good from the front that no one will pay much
attention to the back!
Other, other Ed. note: OMG - I totally agree with that final sentence!!
Anonymous asks:
I'm
intrigued to know a bit more about being a bra-fitter. Did you always
want to become one? Are there special perks? (No pun intended!) And
since you fit people over multiple occasions, do you find that you see
changes in the size and shape of their breasts over various fittings? So
many blogs talk about how breast-shape changes over time. I'm curious
to know if you observe this in your work?
Ahoy
Anon, I'm flattered by your intrigue! I kind of fell into bra fitting. I
became enamored of lingerie as soon as I was able to wear bras,
however I soon blossomed to a size that was very hard to find and that
was usually restricted to boring beige monstrosities.The place I work
was actually the first store I shopped in where I could not only find
bras in my size, but could find bras that fit me! I applied for a job
soon after my first purchase.
While I was excited to work with all the
beautiful things I was actually very nervous to work with all the lovely
people because I tend to be quite shy. After a little time I became
more confident and grew to love the fact that being smushed in a little
change room with a stranger could give me the opportunity to help
someone (in a small way) and sometimes even have a interesting encounter
(bonding over a favourite tv show, ranting about what bras are missing
or even discussing personal philosophies). Most of the fitters I know
have both a keen sense of aesthetics and a strong desire to help women.
Also, many fitters are multi-talented and are working on small
businesses, PhDs, bands or books when they are not fitting.
Like
any job, bra fitting is not always hunky dory. Many women carry a lot
of self-hate about their bodies, which can make a fitter feel helpless
and drained (I understand and sympathize with this self hate, I just
wish there was some way to ease this). Some women have unrealistic
expectations (i.e. they need a low back, strapless, plunging bra... and they
wear a H cup) and some refuse to consider advice and expertise (a
woman with sloping shoulders is going to have trouble keeping the straps
up on a demi bra, that's just how it is...).
There are the typical customer service complaints from those who feel they can insult or mistreat service workers. Finally, it's frustrating not being able
to control the size ranges and style offerings available. Although
fitters and store owners can (and do!) complain to bra manufacturers, those manufacturers don't usually listen!
As to perks, I'm sure they depend on the
particular store. Most stores will give fitters some sort of discount.
Fitters often get a sneak peek at upcoming styles when sales reps visit.
Personally, I have had the chance to travel on buying trips, wear-test
bras (so we know whether to bring them in to the store) and have
received gift bras from companies hoping to promote their brand.
I
don't feel that breast shape drastically changes over time. Some women
will loose a bit of top fullness over time (I've noticed this with age
and weight fluctuations), but most changes are in size and firmness.
Generally a customer with close-set, full-on-top breasts will retain
roughly the same shape. With age her breasts may sit a little lower, and
may be a bit softer, but they will generally stay the same. Size and
firmness changes through weight loss, weight gain, nursing and
menopause. It also can change with hormonal fluctuations (birth control
pills), breast tissue migration (pockets of "armpit
fat" are often breast tissue that has been rearranged due to ill-fitting wires), and relationship status (this sounds screwy, but many
women have noticed their breasts are a bit fuller when they are
receiving more amorous attention).
Thanks so much for answering my question!!! I did go and try on some 34's, and found them really tight... so I'm sticking with 36 for now. (I did alter a few of my existing basic bras to make the bands tighter - Like you said, they really stretched out!)
ReplyDeleteThinking back, I'm wondering if my original back fat fears were because I was wearing a 36B or 38B... and now, at the same weight, I'm wearing a 36DD. Maybe the boobs were just running for the hills!
Thanks for the help!
(Oh, I should say - that was years ago that I was wearing a B, because that's what a fitter told me.. then got professionally sized as a C, and then just started experimenting to see what worked best!)
ReplyDeleteFunny that you mentioned it, because I still struggle with why it "isn't possible" for an H cup (or higher) to have a strapless plunge bra. Especially in the smaller band sizes (say, 34 and under).
ReplyDeleteOr why a true plunge for anyone over a D cup is more elusive than Bigfoot--which is one of my irritations with bras in general. My center gores need to be low or they poke into my weirdly shaped sternum. I don't need a U-shaped wire, I need a J-shaped, or maybe even an L-shaped (though maybe a bit more rounded ;-) ) wire.
My question still is though, where can I find that G+ super plunge with half (or small-ish 3/4) cups and center set straps? Or I'll take it strapless if the straps are an issue.
My apologies if that comment seemed witchy. Bra fitting has been SO frustrating for me and sometimes I let it out. :-(
ReplyDeleteNice post! It seems like everything is stretchier these days, even jeans (aka jeggings).
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